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Tuesday, August 15, 2006

 

Why many R's still have faith in Bush

I came across this passage in Haper's Magazine.

(Dr. Leon) Festinger explained that a committed believer, when faced with irrefutable evidence contradicting his belief - with what Festinger called a "disconfirmation" - would redouble rather htan diminish his efforts to defend his view. Stranger yet, the more harshly reality dealt with a belief, the more feverishly the believer would work to convert others.

The article was about "Peak Oil" and is a great read. I think this pasage goes a long way to explaining why otherwise sane people like Dave from First State Politics and Michael Castle would work so hard to defend Republicanism in general and George Bush in particular.

Comments:
How exactly does this not describe you more than me?

I have criticized members of my party, including the President. Castle openly criticizes members of his own party, including the President.

You, on the other hand, drink the liberal Kool-Aid and cut-and-paste your way through, in light of the evidence that counters your opinion.
 
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought you were with the "stay the course" crowd.

I know you don't like that Bush went soft on Mexicans - but I regard that as a side show.

Where is your Iraq war post? Where is Castle's apology? Thats all I'm saying.
 
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought you were with the "stay the course" crowd.

I know you don't like that Bush went soft on Mexicans - but I regard that as a side show.

Where is your Iraq war post? Where is Castle's apology? Thats all I'm saying.
 
Castle openly criticizes members of his own party, including the President.

I must have missed those quotes.

I have criticized members of my party, including the President.

Sorry - criticizing them for "not being right-wing enough" doesn't count. What Bush policy do you oppose?

Here's a checklist, do you oppose any of these?

- Occupation of Iraq
- Tax cuts for the rich
- Cancelling ergonomic regulations
- Weakening of consumer bankruptcy protections
- Unqualified appointees
- Presidential signing statements
- Warrantless domestic spying
- Illegal domestic spying yet to be revealed
- Alignment with religious fundamentalist anti-science positions

No? Then what?
 
What Bush policy do you oppose?

I think he likes broccoli. I don't like broccoli.

Sorry - criticizing them for "not being right-wing enough" doesn't count.

Anon - who are you to say what does and doesn't count? I criticize Republicans primarily on spending. Is that "right-wing?" Wait. Don't answer that. I really don't care what you think.

Oh, yeah, and Castle? I'd say it was fairly critical when he called Bush's stem-cell veto "disappointing." He clashed with the White House, leading to Tony Snow publicly admonishing him.
 
And Jason -- My position on Iraq is that we are there and if we leave now, it will embolden the Islamists who think we are nothing more than paper tigers who don't have the backbone to stick it out. It's not a pretty situation. I don't imagine war ever is. But we've already turned over one province to full Iraqi security, and that's a start. If the terrorists and insurgents think they can push us out, they will. If they think they can wait us out, they will. I will not call for more troops, because I could never ask someone else to go to war, but I won't disagree with the generals if they request that.

But I'm just a chickenhawk. What do I know?
 
I'd say it was fairly critical when he called Bush's stem-cell veto "disappointing."

OUCH!! Castle really took Bush out to the woodshed there.
 
So you say it was fairly critical when he called Bush's stem-cell veto "disappointing."

Sure, when my mom told me she was disappointed with me for not blah, blah, blah. That was nothing! Now if my dad were to kick my ass for blah, blah, blah, that would make me wake up and probably not do the same thing again!

Why doesn't Castle start voting against his rich donor's interests for a change. The only time he does is when he knows that his vote is meant, not to oppose the party's position, but, to "send" a message to us less affluent constituency that he really is a moderate. Wow, he opposed the President only when he knew it wouldn't really matter.

As for you being a chickenhawk, unless you're past forty-two, you could go too. If you're older than that, why not vounteer for a day at the local veteran's hospital. Didn't Castle vote to cut the VA budget while he did vote for Paris Hilton to get a BIG tax break? Go see what Castle's policy has done to some of our best and brightest!
 
Okay, let’s do this line by line:

- Occupation of Iraq – Sorry, not without 10 years of historic perspective.
- Tax cuts for the rich – You’re right, scrap the insanity that is our tax code in favor of a flat tax. Think of all the revenue we’d generate if everybody who now pays nothing at all paid $10 a head! Oh, and means test Social Security while we’re at it.
- Canceling ergonomic regulations – WTF is an ergonomic regulation? OSHA?
- Weakening of consumer bankruptcy protections – You mean tort and class action reform, I imagine. Reining in outrageous settlements and corporate-scale ambulance chasing by guys like Peter Angelos is essential to economic development and prosperity. Corporations are not bags of money to be pillaged; if you want money for doing nothing, invest.
- Unqualified appointees – Okay, Harriet Meiers was a joke, and cronyism at best, and Bernard Kerik’s nanny problem was embarrassing, but he would have been the best man for the job. Mike Brown got left high and dry by the state and local agencies with which he was supposed to coordinate, and FEMA should have stayed independent of DHS.
- Presidential signing statements – Okay, I’d prefer he veto things to signing them while holding his nose.
- Warrantless domestic spying – Intercepting transmissions and monitoring financial transactions coming into the US from known terror groups, sponsors, and other affiliates is not domestic spying, it’s intelligence gathering. That’s how the Brits busted the latest terror plot.
- Illegal domestic spying yet to be revealed – Still waiting for the first modern-day Daniel Ellsberg (Pentagon Papers leaker) to come forward. Not holding my breath.
- Alignment with religious fundamentalist anti-science positions – Can we call abortion advocates anti-life fundamentalists?
 
- Occupation of Iraq – Sorry, not without 10 years of historic perspective.

Unlike other Dems I don't yet see the case for total withdrawal. But by now the US should have stood down and the occupation turned over to some other force - NATO, EU, UN, whatever - but Bush is totally incapable of maintaining those kinds of alliances. Plus, the PNAC plan is to retain 100% American control.


- Tax cuts for the rich – You’re right, scrap the insanity that is our tax code in favor of a flat tax. Think of all the revenue we’d generate if everybody who now pays nothing at all paid $10 a head!

I'm FOR a flat tax. Start by flattening FICA - remove the wage cap so the rich pay on ALL their income. Then make ALL income subject to the flat tax, including cap gains, dividends, and corporate profits. Implement national health care. Means-test Social Security. Then set the flat tax rate each year based on the projected budget. Yeah flat tax!

Oh, and means test Social Security while we’re at it.

Fine with me!

- Canceling ergonomic regulations – WTF is an ergonomic regulation?

Believe me, if you had a painful chronic condition caused by your job, you would know about this: Bush signs repeal of ergonomic rules into law.

- Weakening of consumer bankruptcy protections – You mean tort and class action reform, I imagine.

Thanks - I forgot about those! Actually by "Weakening of consumer bankruptcy protections" I meant this, co-sponsored by our Senator from MBNA (sorry rightwingers, the link is from Daily Kos, but it's actually a good description and analysis by one of the better bloggers).

Reining in outrageous settlements and corporate-scale ambulance chasing by guys like Peter Angelos is essential to economic development and prosperity.

BS - there is no serious data suggesting a broad economic impact. It's just another item big-corp wish list. The current system provides a check on corporate irresponsibility and provides access to the legal system for individuals.

Can we call abortion advocates anti-life fundamentalists?

WTF is an abortion advocate?
 
BS - there is no serious data suggesting a broad economic impact. It's just another item big-corp wish list. The current system provides a check on corporate irresponsibility and provides access to the legal system for individuals.

Are you an OB/Gyn?

Of course not, because if you were, you would see the "broad economic impact" of frivolous lawsuits.
 
Well, well, well little Davie went home?
 
Actually, that anon post above is me. I don't know why it posted anon.
 
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