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Friday, July 07, 2006

 

Michael Castle was complicit in the Dobrich intimidation: Part III

Why is the Dobrich intimidation case going national ?

UPDATE:I neglected one additonal factor that is making this a national story. The fact that the "Stop the ACLU Coalition" posted the Dobriches home address and phone number. This tactic has been the focus of many of the stories writtn about the case so far.

The other reasons:

- Five elected officials in Delaware have endorsed Christianity as the official religion of the Indian River School District. Those elected officials are all Republicans: - State Reps. John Atkins, Joe Booth, Ben Ewing, Gerald Hocker and Biff Lee

- This state endorsement of Christianity as the official religion for the Indian River School district is unconstitutional, AND

- That state endorsement of Christianity as the official religion for the Indian River School district has emboldened extremists to make death threats against the Dobrich family.

Michael Castle, the leader of the Republican party in Delaware is complicit in this endorsement of Christianity as the official religion of the Indian River School District AND through his silence on the issue complicit in the intimidation of the Dobrich Family.

It is now 24 hours since I called Mr. Castle's office for a comment. Still nothing. I made a follow-up call this morning. Here is a rough transcript:

Jake: Congressman Castle's office this is Jake.

Me: Hi, this is Jason calling from Delawareliberal. I was wondering if Mr. Castle has a comment on the Dobrich family being driven out of the Indian River School district by the intimidation tatctics of the "Stop the ACLU Committee"?

Jake: Not to my knowledge - but that would be a question for his press secretary who is with the Congressman right now. I can pass that along if you'd like?

Me: Well I asked that question yesterday and did not get a reply, so I have a more specific question. Four Republican state reps have endorsed Christianity as the official religion of the Indian River School district, and I was wondering if Congressman Castle, as the leader of Delaware Republican's agrees that Christianity should be the official religion of the Indian River school district?

Jake: Okay. I'll pass that along.

Me: Do you have my phone number?

Jake: What is it?

Me: (302)XXX-XXXX

Jake: Okay.

Me:Thanks.

Comments:
From the thread below:

Jason, you are trying to make it sound like Republicans and Republican officials are making death threats. Kindly back off of that line of thinking. Supporting prayer at a school board meeting is not the same as threatening someone. That's the reach.

Republican officials who support Christianity as the official religion of a school district are guilty of creating a climate where extremist take the ball and run with it.
 
by "going national" you mean pimped by the moonbat left on fringe blogs like KOS?

just like pimp my ride, you start with a wreck and embelish until it's unrecognizable.
 
using your "logic":

Jason supports firebombing the ROTC building.

since you have made anti-war statements, you are guilty of creating a climate where extremist take the ball and run with it.

from Jason to the Weather Underground in less than 7 degrees of sepperation.
 
Happycon,

So I have you down as "In favor of Christianity as the official IRSD relgion".


Thanks.
 
Can you please show us all where those officials you have named "have endorsed Christianity as the official religion of the Indian River School District"? I'd like to see SPECIFIC statements to that effect, not something like "I'd like to wait until the court case plays out."
 
I just put the link int he body of the post.
 
Jason -- If you're going to continue to try and manufacture something out of this for partisan points, can you correct yourself?

Atkins, Booth, Ewing, Hocker and Lee makes five, not four.
 
And, I think the letter they wrote makes a lot of sense.
 
firststate,

I like the way it says "Constitution prohibits government from establishing an official religion or preferring one religion over another." then goes on to essentially say...but so what.
 
Firstate is correct, Jason. You are reaching -- reaching far and wide. Did you read this part?

The United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate employ chaplains in each chamber to conduct daily prayers and offer counsel to their members and their families. As is the case in the Delaware House of Representatives, both chambers also begin their daily sessions with a prayer. It is ridiculous to question the actions of the Indian River Board of Education for engaging in a practice that is conducted every day in the United States Congress.

U.S. District Judge Joseph J. Farnan Jr. has already ruled that the school board prayers offered at the IR board meetings were permissable.

Your insistence that the IR board's actions on this matter are unconstitutional is fine; this sort of law is far from settled. But you are being highly disingenuous (at the very least) trying to tie these legislators -- and Mike Castle -- to the threats made on the Dobriches, not to mention making them out to be in favor of establishing some sort of theocracy.
 
Decision to read prayer at the IRSD admirable




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We wanted to express our support of the Indian River School District Board of Education for their decision to continue reading a prayer at the start of their meetings. Their decision is all the more admirable because it was made despite threatened legal action by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to force them to end the tradition.

As state legislators, we recognize the historic separation of "church and state," but we also believe this does not mean the separation of God from state.

We believe that one of the keys to our greatness as a nation has been our acknowledgment of God's grace, our faith in Him and the willing and active participation of our people to worship God as they see fit. Since our country's founding, we have been "one nation under God." That link is as undeniable as the money we carry in our pockets inscribed with the phrase "in God We Trust."

The United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate employ chaplains in each chamber to conduct daily prayers and offer counsel to their members and their families. As is the case in the Delaware House of Representatives, both chambers also begin their daily sessions with a prayer. It is ridiculous to question the actions of the Indian River Board of Education for engaging in a practice that is conducted every day in the United States Congress.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits government from establishing an official religion or preferring one religion over another. However, the same First Amendment also guarantees the right of "freedom of expression." We believe the Indian River School Board is freely exercising the latter without violating the former.

We commend the Indian River Board of Education for maintaining its tradition of prayer. This long-standing practice is a tribute to our historical heritage and a reminder to our elected officials that even beyond their own constituencies, there is a power that will hold them accountable for consequences of their actions.

State Reps. John Atkins, Joe Booth, Ben Ewing, Gerald Hocker and Biff Lee

Originally published Wednesday, September 1, 2004

Jason is breaking a story that is almost two years old!
thanks for the link jason.
 
you are being highly disingenuous (at the very least) trying to tie these legislators -- and Mike Castle -- to the threats made on the Dobriches,

I think the letter speaks for itself. The reps in question want Christianity to be the official religion of the IRSD. Period.

What I don't get is why you don't see that Castle and Bush and these Reps are creating a context for bigotry and hatred. They should have rebuked the board, not praised them. This anti-American sectarianism does not just appear. It is nurtured and cultivated by people seeking short term political advatage.
 
It's not "period." It's "period" only for your constant, overly partisan ranting.

One commenter asked something previously that if these reps. are "creating a context for bigotry and hatred," then you and many others are "creating a context for anti-Americanism and hatred of the military" (not to mention mere "bigotry and hatred") w/your posts here daily.

Get over yourself.
 
Hube,

I know you and other (relatively) sane conservatives tend to want to laugh off these Christian radicals and zealots, as insignificant or maybe useful idiots.

I don't know how long you'll be able to get by thinking that and I'm quite sure that we will end up on the same side of this issue sooner or later.
 
Jason: What you and I agree on is that NO ONE should be subjected to threats and intimidation like the Dobriches were. There are indeed intolerant a-holes down there who should be smacked upside the head. However, there are also many reasonable people who disagree w/the Dobrichs' lawsuit (and the ACLU) on this matter. Unfortunately for these folks, the idiots get the press and force the Dobriches to move.

The ACLU does have a clear track record of trying to financially intimidate small school districts into compliance with what they desire. (And yes, IR is small population-wise compared to many districts nationwide.) The district has won the first round in this case. The very sad thing is, the threats to the plaintiffs along the way make the entire scenario a tragedy.
 
Did you read the paper this morning, partner?

"While some blogs generally got the facts right, others botched the details. A Daily Kos posting reported -- and the Web site Jesus' General implied -- that the recent posting prompted the two families to flee their homes.

Not true. The Dobrich family moved out of the district before their lawsuit was filed in February 2005."
 
'by "going national" you mean pimped by the moonbat left on fringe blogs like KOS?'

Typical liberal trick (those bastards). The conservative press never does anything like this!

"As state legislators, we recognize the historic separation of "church and state," but we also believe this does not mean the separation of God from state."

Which God - Allah, Yaweh? If the separation of church and state doesn't separate God from matters of public polity, then you have to pick the God - the content of the prayer follows from the theological tradition.

So, after you've picked the God/tradition/prayer, it's going to suck for someone isn't it?

Psychologically, the equation is, 'who do wanna piss off? God, or the Jews next door?'

"The ACLU does have a clear track record of trying to financially intimidate small school districts into compliance with what they desire."

Maybe so. But Hube, if you're the Dobrich's and you voice your dissent on religious grounds, then encounter recriminations, who would you call. Batman?
 
It used to be the social contract in America that, since we aren't going to agree on religion, better to just leave religion out of state events. Now the social contract is broken, at least in rightwing Christian communities.

I wish in these church vs. state issues the ACLU would sue not to stop the prayers, but to require the school to give equal time to ALL major religions in their prayers. Then, if the school doesn't want to see rabbis and imams and Wiccans offering prayers, let the school decide on their own it's better to cancel the prayers.
 
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